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  • 1.  CDFM vs. DFMCP

    Posted 01-18-2018 14:28
    ​Good morning all,

    Over the years I've crammed some study time in order to obtain my CDFM, but with learning in other arenas the CDFM always took a backseat to them. Once I was finished training in other areas, the DFMCP program became a thing. I believe that the DFMCP was something that ASMC and FM leadership really pushed for. Prior to the DFMCP, one of the main certifications out there for government personnel was the CDFM route.

    So now that we are here and the majority of FM personnel have completed their initial DFCMP certification, why should we get the CDFM, CDFM-A, or even the CGFM?


    PS - I understand some of the benefits, but would like to initiate some discussion on this topic.

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    Ricardo Borrego
    Ft. Huachuca, AZ
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  • 2.  RE: CDFM vs. DFMCP

    Posted 01-18-2018 15:34

    Great topic!  We are interested in seeing the responses from CDFM and CDFM-As. In the meantime, we are happy to share some of the reasons to obtain your CDFM.

    • The Certified Defense Financial Manager (CDFM), a test-based certification, is a very relevant and prestigious credential, even for those DoD financial managers (FMers) who have obtained the course-based DoD FM Certification required by the Department. 
    • The demands of the times require broad knowledge and analytical skills across a range of disciplines. The CDFM certification is fundamental to establishing a broad set of financial management skills. 
    • Thirteen percent of DoD FMers hold the CDFM, so it represents a valuable credential that impresses selecting officials with the individual¹s drive and initiative. It also enables leaders within the DoD to be confident in hiring CDFMs or CDFM-As from anywhere else in the DoD knowing that they possess the skills the job requires.
    • The CDFM is one of 20 DoD-approved test-based certifications which the DoD Financial Management Certification (DFMC) Program recommends FMers at Certification Levels 2 and 3 complete. The CDFM directly relates to the work done by DoD FMers and the knowledge and skills the Department would like all FMers to have.
    • The CDFM certification is a differentiator for employers and increases employment opportunities within the public and private sector.
    • During the past 12 months, over 3,000 CDFM exam modules have been taken, many by individuals who hold the DFMCP. 


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    Phara G. Rodrigue
    Alexandria VA
    rodrigue@asmconline.org
    ASMC HQ
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  • 3.  RE: CDFM vs. DFMCP

    Posted 01-19-2018 08:01
    ​As mentioned, almost everyone has the DoD FM certification since it is a required condition of employment for all in the 500 series positions. It is designed to focus on your specific series when choosing your primary and alternate tracks. The CDFM and CDFM-A require knowledge of a much broader set of topics. The test-based CDFM being a voluntary effort through a professional association, it is still seen as a significant achievement and sets you apart from the rest.

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    Robert Magee CDFM-A, DFMC2
    Montgomery AL
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  • 4.  RE: CDFM vs. DFMCP

    Posted 01-19-2018 08:04
    To me, the two biggest differences between CDFM and DFMCP are (1) the purpose of the certification and (2) how the certification is achieved.

    The purpose of the DFMCP is to raise everyone's FM IQ and make us better stewards of taxpayer resources. Course work for the DFMCP is relatively accessible to all DoD financial management employees ... which is perfect because the DFMCP is a requirement of employment. Exams are not proctored so you can ask co-workers for help on a test or have study materials and aids on hand. Most courses for the DFMCP can be taken multiple times before you are disenrolled.

    The purpose of the CDFM is to distinguish DoD FM personnel with mastery over a standardized set of financial management criteria. Not everyone passes the CDFM or CDFM-A and neither are a requirement of employment for most DoD jobs. The CDFM is a proctored exam in which you have one opportunity to pass an exam and no study materials or aids can be used (participants can retake exams but at an additional cost). It is the proctored and timed environment that sets the CDFM apart from the DFMCP.

    The greatest benefit of the implementation of the DFMCP is that it helps all FM personnel get the training they need to be more informed financial managers without asking them to jump through the hoops of a CDFM. The greatest benefit to getting your CDFM is that you distinguish yourself from the rest of the FM community and position yourself for promotion.

    As for the CGFM piece... The Certified Government Financial Manager (CGFM) encapsulates a much broader perspective than CDFM. Topics include bond valuation/conversion, revenue recognition, single audits, and others that apply mostly to state and city government financial management.

    The DFMCP, CDFM, and CDFM-A is more like a tiered concept of deeper knowledge at each level. This doesn't discount the deep knowledge personnel have accumulated over the years even without these certifications. The certifications simply communicate a particular level of knowledge in 4 to 5 letters.

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    Amy Beall, CGFM
    Lakewood CA
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  • 5.  RE: CDFM vs. DFMCP

    Posted 01-19-2018 09:39
    DFMCP is essentially equivalent to the DAWIA certifications in the Acquisition community - person has a certain length of service (i.e., experience) in the FM field and has taken certain classes to assure the employer (i.e., the Govt) that people possess a minimum qualification.  Outside DoD, it may hold little relevance.

    The CDFM/CDFM-A/CGFM are test-based certifications.  Training for these may satisfy part of the training requirements.  However, unlike the others, passing the exam is proof that the holder actually know the laws and regulation that underlie much of our professional practices.  DHS will accept the CDFM, and CGFM is very exportable to the rest of the Federal Govt as well as state and local.  However, I wished that members of Congress have learned about the law and the processes as described in the CDFM, and perhaps they would have done their jobs, and stop spouting a lot of erroneous information.

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    John McKee CDFM-A
    Shiloh IL
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  • 6.  RE: CDFM vs. DFMCP

    Posted 01-19-2018 23:02
    Hello all,

    I retired from military service last year as United States Property & Fiscal Officer, effectively a Chief Financial Officer in the National Guard. I earned CDFM in 2012 and CDFM-A the next year. I jumped into the DFMC program early and earned DFMC3 in 2016.

    I now teach Cooperative Agreements all over the country as a contractor.

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    Larry Schmidt CDFM-A, DFMC3
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  • 7.  RE: CDFM vs. DFMCP

    Posted 01-19-2018 23:03
    While obtaining the DFMC is mandatory for FMers, the DoD FM civilian roadmaps also encourage FMers to obtain at least one test based certification. The DFMC guidelines even recommend for Level 2 and strongly recommend for Level 3 that individuals obtain a test based certification.  DFMC certification reflects that you have obtained a minimal amount of course based training in the FM competencies required for certification.  However, obtaining a test-based certification, such as CDFM or a CPA, shows that you have obtained enough expertise in the FM policy and functions to sit for and pass a rigorous exam.  They are two different types of certifications with different focuses! and both are an important part  of career development.

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    Glenda Scheiner, SES, DFMC3, CDFM, CDFM-A
    Burke VA
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  • 8.  RE: CDFM vs. DFMCP

    Posted 01-22-2018 10:09
    The DFMCP was designed to be the minimum skills/knowledge FMers should have to effectively work for the DoD.  It was intended to make sure everyone had the basics.  And I believe, it does that very well, especially for the newer members of the FM community.  I'm sure a lot of us wished there was more of this type of training available when we first came on board. Rather than the trial by fire we all experienced.  (Not putting down the on the job training, I believe you need both, just wished there had been more access to the basics when I first started)

    The CDFM, CDFM-A, and other test based certifications provide a distinguishing element for those individuals who attempt them and succeed.  It provides proof of a broader knowledge base and a commitment to this field.  I don't think the value of the CDFM and CDFM-A have changed with the implementation of the DFMCP.  It continues to push FMers to learn all they can and to apply that knowledge across a wide range of areas.  From a personal perspective, I know that my CDFM-A designation has set me apart from other candidates in the hiring process and I will continue to promote taking them exams to the new members of this wonderful community.

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    Audra A. Hessler, MBA, CDFM-A, DFMCP-2
    Financial Management Analyst
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  • 9.  RE: CDFM vs. DFMCP

    Posted 01-23-2018 09:55

    Hello all,

    Like what others have said, I feel the DFMC is generally a baseline certification that indicates your current experience level in financial management.  As a military member, most of my DFMC was completed by attending one or two professional courses so although I learned a lot, I felt like I earned the certification mainly through experience rather than actual knowledge.

    After completing the CDFM, I feel considerably more knowledgable in DoD Financial Management.  Being the CDFM and CDFM-A are test based, there is an inherently stronger accountability that you know the principles that drive our field such as fiscal law, PPBE, and host of other FM competencies.  Even without the designation, I know that the study and preparation made me much more confident in making decisions and advising my customers/and or leaders on financial matters.

    Adding that the DFMC is a mandatory certification, the incentive to get it done was mostly out of necessity and often found myself just skimming through computer based training to meet the credit requirements and deadline.  With the CDFM, there was an actual want to learn the concepts and improve my job knowledge.



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    Frederick (Rick) Freeman CDFM-A, DFMC2
    Centerville GA
    frederick.freeman.3@us.af.mil
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  • 10.  RE: CDFM vs. DFMCP

    Posted 01-23-2018 10:53
    I think most have nailed the difference in the two.  One other area that I have noted is the CDFM establishes a tested baseline of knowledge. While I love the DFMCP process and the requirement for foundational training in the DoD, most conversations I have with the community is how members have sought the quickest means (time is our most sparse commodity it seems) to achieve the accreditation not the most beneficial training to help their knowledge base.  Without the knowledge test to baseline your understanding of the core competencies the knowledge expectations vary so much from person to person that it is still difficult to find the common understanding with dealing with peers.  You may have 10 members with DFMCP2 certifications in the room and all of them studyied different material to achieve that understanding.  With the CDFM when I see that on a persons profile I have a general understanding of where their foundational knowledge exists.  I know my audience so to speak.  I can start a conversation at the level we all were tested on.

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    Joshua Johnson, DFMCP2, CDFM
    Springboro, OH
    Joshua.johnson.167.ctr@us.af.mil
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  • 11.  RE: CDFM vs. DFMCP

    Posted 01-24-2018 09:58
    I would say is is a matter of opening doors.  The more certifications you have the better your chances of landing the right opportunity.  The DFMCP should be the first step in the process. If you plan to retire and work as a contractor in the Finance arena, a lot of the federal contracts call for a CDFM, CGFM or a CPA.

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    Reid Mueller CDFM-A, CGFM, CPA
    McLean VA
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  • 12.  RE: CDFM vs. DFMCP

    Posted 01-25-2018 16:28
    Thanks much for your great perspectives and comments (thus far) regarding the DFMCP and the CDFM certifications.  Both are valuable and important!  However, I know from my travels to speak at some Regional and Mini-PDIs or Chapter Professional Development Sessions, that some ASMC members have the opinion that the CDFM is not as relevant now as it was prior to the establishment and implementation of the DoD FM Certification Program.  To me, it is even more relevant now than it was before and the facts that in the past 12 months, (1) over 1600 FMers enrolled as a candidate to pursue the CDFM, (2) over 3100 exam modules have been administered, and (3) over 600 CDFMs have been awarded indicates that many of our members (and also some non-members of ASMC) who have not previously pursued the CDFM (and the CDFM-A) believe the CDFM remains a prestigious credential.

    Your opinions also reinforce the value proposition and the dedicated work and time being devoted to updates of the CDFM and CDFM-A exam modules and associated textbooks.

    Lastly, I'm very glad that we at ASMC HQ decided almost five years ago to do all we can to support the Department regarding the DFMCP via communications to our membership; outreach to Defense Learning Institutions (ICW OUSD(Comptroller)) concerning development of DFMCP Mini-Courses; and our efforts to include Mini-Courses as an essential part of our National PDI Program, so as to provide direct DFMCP credit, as well as continuing education and training credits.

    I look forward to additional posts and perspectives on this subject.  You can also look forward to additional info and updates from  ASMC HQ regarding CDFM.

    Al Runnels
    Exec Dir
    ASMC




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    Al Runnels CDFM-A
    runnels@asmconline.org
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  • 13.  RE: CDFM vs. DFMCP

    Posted 01-27-2018 15:12

    During my first dedicated FM tour as the Comptroller at Naval Forces Korea there were a few mandatory online courses to complete, but I didn't feel like I'd learned enough to be effective in my position.  I attended the EDFMTC and from there continued on to obtain my CDFM.  I learned so much about DoD FM as I proceeded to study and obtain my designation.  Moreover, my CDFM journey exposed me to a great network of other DoD FMers in Korea.  Collectively the wealth of knowledge I obtained and wonderful ASMC network in Korea helped me be more effective at my job than I'd have ever been without it.

    I feel DFMCP was born out of the FIAR efforts in order to establish a baseline.  CDFM goes beyond that baseline and the network within ASMC makes it a more valuable designation in my opinion.

    That said, in full disclosure, I don't have a DFMCP designation.  Both my previous Comptroller tour and current Business Financial Manager tour are not "on the list" of designated FM billets.  Still, once I actually get into a designated billet, it will just be a matter of uploading my courses into the LMS - no where near the level of effort I went through to obtain my CDFM or CDFM-A.



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    Seth Greenlaw, CDFM-A, PMP
    Business Financial Manager
    NAVAIR
    Patuxent River, MD
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  • 14.  RE: CDFM vs. DFMCP

    Posted 01-28-2018 17:08
    I received my level 2 DFMCP in 2014 and decided to earn the CDFM in 2017. I would say the CDFM holds more value. I am an account with DoD and gained knowledge studying for the CDFM. Also, the majority of FM DoD personnel hold the DFMCP designation bc 1) it's a requirement and 2) anyone who puts in the time will earn it because there isn't anything difficult. On the other hand, the CDFM takes work and dedication. Having it on your resume sets you apart from those don't. 





  • 15.  RE: CDFM vs. DFMCP

    Posted 01-29-2018 10:09
    Thanks everyone that added to this discussion.

    Regards,

    Ricardo Borrego, <insert future CDFM title here>



  • 16.  RE: CDFM vs. DFMCP

    Posted 02-07-2018 12:19

    Greetings,

    Below is the DoD instruction 1300.26 regarding the Operation of the DoD FM Certification Program. Specifically the portion referencing certification for non FM personnel. According to the instruction, my position can be designated by "DoD Components". So my question: Does anyone have any experience converting a non-FM position as requiring the DoD FM Certification? 


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    According to DoDI 1300.26 - SECTION 3: PROCEDURES 15
    3.2. IDENTIFYING AND DESIGNATING FM POSITIONS.
    a. Identifying FM Positions.
    (1) FM positions are identified as civilian or military positions that perform, supervise, or manage the work of a fiscal, FM, accounting, auditing, cost, or budgetary nature, or that require the performance of FM-related work. FM positions are:
    (a) Civilian positions within a 05XX occupational series.
    (b) Military positions with FM occupational specialties.
    (c) Non-05XX occupational series or military positions performing FM work when designated by DoD Components, and if acquisition-coded in areas other than Business-FM, Business-Cost Estimating and Acquisition Auditing, as approved by the USD(AT&L).
    (2) FM positions to which this certification applies:
    (a) Civilian positions coded with the 05XX Occupational Series listed in Table 1 of this section.
    (b) Civilian positions not coded with the 05XX Occupational Series that perform, supervise, or manage the work of a fiscal, FM, accounting, auditing, cost, or budgetary nature when designated by DoD Components. USD(AT&L) approval is required for inclusion of acquisition-coded positions in areas other than Business-FM, Business-Cost Estimating, and Acquisition-Auditing.
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    Ricardo Borrego, DFMCP2
    Joint Interoperability Test Command (JITC)
    Standard Financial Information Structure - Compliance Assessment (SFIS-CA) Test Lead
    IT Specialist - Systems Analyst
    Commercial: 520.538.5040
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  • 17.  RE: CDFM vs. DFMCP

    Posted 03-14-2018 13:55
    Good Afternoon folks!
    For those members interested in joining the CDFM program, NOW is the time to do so...

    All month long you can save up to 50% on enrollment fees!

    For the month of March 2018, ASMC members who enroll in the CDFM Program for the first time pay just half price-$20. The regular enrollment fee for members is $40. The non-member rate is $75.

    Check out American Society of Military Comptrollers for more info!

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    Kathryn Bradford
    Alexandria VA
    grandstaff@asmconline.org
    ASMC HQ
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